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| + | Churchianity enslaves the people of God to the programs and authoritarianism of the institution instead of teaching loyalty to Christ alone and equipping the saints to do His works of ministry. |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span lang=EN-GB>Churchianity</span></span><span
| + | Churchianity makes church workers instead of disciples who do Jesus' works. Churchianity focuses upon doctrines instead of upon following Jesus continually and doing His works. Churchianity follows the patterns of this world (see Romans 12.2) and "sells" Jesus in a carnally attractive package instead of calling a sinning people to repentance and surrender to our Lord Jesus Christ. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> enslaves the people of God to the programs and authoritarianism of
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| − | the institution instead of teaching loyalty to Christ alone and equipping the | + | |
| − | saints to do His works of ministry.</span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span lang=EN-GB>Churchianity</span></span><span
| + | Churchianity builds buildings instead of temples of the Holy Spirit. (When the Protestant movement broke from the Roman church, the break was not complete, for the Protestants continued to follow the forms [somewhat revised, but still the same forms] as the Roman church .... human hierarchy, liturgy and buildings which replace what Jesus called for: that we follow Him and give Him our total loyalty.) |
| − | lang=EN-GB> makes church workers instead of disciples who do Jesus' <span
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| − | class=SpellE>works.</span></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span lang=EN-GB>Churchianity</span></span><span
| + | Overcoming the corruption and power of tradition |
| − | lang=EN-GB> focuses upon doctrines instead of upon following Jesus continually
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| − | and doing His <span class=SpellE>works.</span></span></p> | + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span lang=EN-GB>Churchianity</span></span><span
| + | A subscriber wrote a question and the reply I wrote became this edition of the Challenger. I realized as I wrote that I was writing for the Body of Christ, not just one person. So, here is a challenge that I trust you will read very carefully and take very seriously. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> follows the patterns of this world (see Romans 12.2) and
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| − | "sells" </span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>Jesus in a carnally
| + | " My question, keeping in mind that I still agree with everything you have said so far, is this: |
| − | attractive package instead of calling a sinning people to repentance and
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| − | surrender to our Lord Jesus Christ.</span></span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span></span></p>
| + | Is it possible to work within the system? What I mean is doing somewhat like Paul did as he went to the synagogues seeking to win his fellow Jews. Let me ask you something ... if a system corrupts the message and the people, should one spend time there attempting to do what is right? |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span lang=EN-GB>Churchianity</span></span><span
| + | Paul always went to the synagogues first, but he never stayed there. He quickly ended up ministering in a house or a borrowed hall to the handful of believing Jews who heard and received the Word he preached in the synagogues, but the daily gatherings quickly became more numerous in Gentile believers than Jewish. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> builds buildings instead of temples of the Holy Spirit. (When the Protestant
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| − | movement broke from the Roman church, the break was not complete, for the
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| − | Protestants continued to follow the forms [somewhat revised, but still the same
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| − | forms] as the Roman church .... human hierarchy, liturgy and buildings which
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| − | replace what Jesus called for: that we follow Him and give Him our total
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| − | loyalty.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><b style='mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'><span lang=EN-GB>Overcoming
| + | Tradition is powerful. And, churchianity is tradition at its most powerful expression. Tradition is bondage. While it gives people a sense of commonality and familiarity, it also keeps them from seeing the bigger picture and being responsive to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Now, is it more important to "look and feel" Christian, and thus, follow the crowd, and try to do some incremental renovations of churchianity? Or, is it more important to do what Jesus called us to do, and help the poor and make disciples? |
| − | the corruption and power of tradition<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> | + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>A subscriber wrote a question and the
| + | We will always have a tendency to think we are wrong if we call the Church something other than what 99.9% of "churchians" are calling "church". It is intimidating to live differently than everything we are familiar with. That is why missionaries have always been few and different (although "traditional" missionary concepts are as wrong as churchianity is ... because "traditional missionary concepts" are the product of churchianity!!!). My challenge is moving more and more toward a focus upon individual disciples who will live radically sold out for Jesus, instead of worrying about the "gatherings". It is far more possible for a person to live for Jesus as a true disciple (who lives a lifestyle of worship and total obedience daily) and NOT have regular gatherings with other disciples, than it is to be a half-way disciple while attending "church" every Sunday! Did you get that? Do you see that? It is far more probable that a person will please God by being a sold-out disciple who walks humbly before God moment by moment (yet never "goes to church") than it is that a person can please God by "going to church" every Sunday and living more like the world than like Jesus, although having a zeal. |
| − | reply I wrote became this edition of the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>Challenger.</span></span><span
| + | In fact, most Christians think that if they have a bumper sticker on their car, and put their Bible on their desk at work, and occasionally lead some poor soul through the Four trivialized Spiritual "Laws", that they are disciples. Especially if they go to church, sing in the choir, put their tithes into the "storehouse" (NOT EVEN!) and are so busy that their kids never see Jesus in them! But, they are "doing something for Jesus". |
| − | lang=EN-GB> I realized as I wrote that I was writing for the Body of Christ,
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| − | not <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>just</span></span><span
| + | Jesus didn't ask us to "do something FOR Him", He commanded us to FOLLOW Him (in word, thought and deed) and to do HIS works! Now, where is "working in the system" in HIS will? :-) |
| − | lang=EN-GB> one person. So, here is a challenge that I trust you will read very
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| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>carefully</span></span><span
| + | Which is precisely the point I was trying to make. Contributions to Jesus instead of commitment. Faith is NOT a work of man, it is a work of God ... BUT Faith works and results in righteousness and obedience, because it IS from God! |
| − | lang=EN-GB> and take very seriously.</span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span><span lang=EN-GB><span
| + | It is impossible to manifest FAITH by worldliness and carnality and materialism and hedonism, for these things are not of God. |
| − | class=GramE>" My</span> question, keeping in mind that I still agree with
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| − | </span><span lang=EN-GB><span
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| − | class=GramE>said</span> so far, is this:
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Is it possible to work within the system? What I mean is doing somewhat
| + | The foundations have not been established. A person cannot be a disciple maker until first he (or she) is a disciple. And, being a disciple has nothing to do with being a church worker or member or participant. LISTEN to this point carefully ... being a disciple is not even primarily about being a disciple-maker or evangelist! (WHAT?) Being a disciple means following Jesus and doing His works. How can we teach others to help the poor and be a disciple until first we are a disciple and help the poor? How can we teach others to live a lifestyle of worship, walking in the presence of God all day long, until we first are walking in the presence of God all day long? How can we teach others to be responsible to get their daily feeding from the Word (instead of listening to someone else's hash called "sermons") until we have gotten into the lifestyle of feasting upon God's Word daily. How can we tell someone else to hunger and thirst after righteousness until we live hungry and thirsty for righteousness, and are more concerned with entering into the Kingdom of God (right now in our daily living) than we are concerned with the opinions and objectives of society around us? |
| − | like
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| − | <o:p></o:p></span><span lang=EN-GB>Paul did as he went to the synagogues seeking to win his fellow Jews.</span></p>
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| | + | I'm more concerned with building disciples who are totally dependent upon Jesus Christ, and are totally surrendered to His Lordship than I am concerned with whether they ever go to a "regular" gathering of believers. I believe that a Spirit-led disciple will be led to times of fellowship and encouragement with other believers ... from house to house. In fact, the very act of making disciples will put them into those gatherings for fellowship and encouragement and worship. But, FIRST, we have to learn to worship the Lord all day long, 24/7. FIRST, we have to be so hungry that we will be in the Word daily, seeking to be more like Jesus and to know the voice of the Holy Spirit. |
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| | + | Worship is NOT primarily these choreographed goosebump-making sessions where people get together and try to PUMP ME UP!!!! Mercy, if that is worship, then Arnold Schwartzenneger (sp?) is a real worshipper, because he knows how to pump people up! eh? How can we acknowledge the majesty and awesomeness of God through flesh-promoting emotionalism and jump and shout based upon near-nightclub types of musicianship? Or, how can we acknowledge the majesty and awesomeness of God with our nose stuck in a hymn book or liturgical program? And, how can one hour |
| | + | per week experience of "worship" have any impact upon being a disciple if we have not learned to walk in the presence of God daily? |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Let me ask you something ... if a system
| + | And, just when do we plan on beginning to walk in the presence of God moment by moment? Well, most people don't plan to. Most Christians just like to talk about it and read books about it and "intend" to get around to it! After all, when 99.9% of the people they know who call themselves Christians are able to claim to be the real thing without ever being personally responsible for their own feeding in the Word; and without ever manifesting a hunger and thirst for righteousness; and with more interest in worldly emotionalism in place of obedience and adoration of God; then, why can't ALL of us get away with that, eh? Isn't that really the bottom line? If we stay in the "system", then we can"dumb down" discipleship, and get by like all the rest! After all, if the rest of the group doesn't see anything that important in what we are seeing about discipleship, then we can probably slide, too, eh? We'll just do a couple of things a little more committed than the rest, and we'll be satisfied with our questions about the rightness of "church buildings" and tithes spent upon our own little holy club, and putting responsibility upon a pastor instead of seeking the Kingdom of God for ourself. YES? |
| − | corrupts the message and the people, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>should</span></span><span
| + | Let's just cut right to the chase ... |
| − | lang=EN-GB> one spend time there attempting to do what is right? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Paul always went to the synagogues
| + | We really don't want to be different from the people around us, do we? |
| − | first, but he never stayed there. He quickly <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ended</span></span><span
| + | If all our neighbors have life insurance and own a home and have all the luxuries, we should too, shouldn't we? |
| − | lang=EN-GB> up ministering in a house or a borrowed hall to the handful of
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| − | believing <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Jews who heard and received the Word he
| + | If all the "Christians" in the system can get by with a little dab of grace and a lot of church work, then why should we bother with seeking to enter the |
| − | preached in the synagogues, but the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>daily</span></span><span
| + | Kingdom of God and His righteousness! RIGHT? |
| − | lang=EN-GB> gatherings quickly became more numerous in Gentile believers than
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| − | Jewish. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Tradition is powerful. </span></p>
| + | Isn't that what is really driving us to want to try to stay in "the system" |
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| | + | There have been literally hundreds of readers of the Challengers over the last 3 years who have been contented with READING radical writings! (Radical from the churchianity perspective.) BUT, most have not hungered and thirsted sufficiently for righteousness to DO the Word. They think because 99.9% of Christians appear to be getting by that God is not going to require them to have DONE the things that the Holy Spirit spoke to their heart as they read the Challenger. |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>And, <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span>
| + | There are people who have read the Challenger for more than a year and still use the title "Reverend". Who is to be reverred besides God? What about what Jesus said about titles that elevate and separate? Matthew 23.8-12 BUT, tradition and the system must be more correct than the plain teaching of Scriptures for these brothers and sisters, for they procede to call themselves by titles that elevate them over others, rather than to change their attitude and perspective and be servants. These brothers and sisters do not have to answer to me, but they will have to answer to God. How can someone claim to be teaching Jesus' Gospel when they cannot even be obedient in this "small", plain point? |
| − | is tradition at its most powerful <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>expression</span></span><span
| + | There is only one manifestation which proves we have received by faith ... we must obey. The longer we resist and postpone, the more hardened our heart becomes and the more carnal we become and the more deceived we are. |
| − | lang=EN-GB>. Tradition is bondage. While it gives people a sense of commonality
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>and</span></span><span
| + | I'm not interested in feeding a person who is corrupting the Gospel and the Word with worldliness and tradition. And, I will not knowingly continue a |
| − | lang=EN-GB> familiarity, it also keeps them from seeing the bigger picture and
| + | relationship of that sort after sufficient time has passed for a person to either fish or quit playing with the bait. Most Christians are playing with the bait. I'm not going to feed the Truth to people, just to make them "feel good" because they are "tolerant" or mentally assenting to the radical message of Jesus Christ, but they want to keep playing around in their spiritual sandboxes. |
| − | being <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>responsive</span></span><span
| + | When I have someone on the list for a long period of time and I begin to understand that they are just playing around at discipleship, I'll usually take |
| − | lang=EN-GB> to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Now, is it more important to
| + | them off the list quietly. |
| − | "<span class=GramE>look</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>and</span></span><span
| + | This isn't a game. And, it is quickly going to become a very difficult situation for disciples of Jesus in the public arena. Persecution is coming, and quicker than we think it is. And, therefore, it is necessary that we equip disciples to stand up in Christ and grow up in Christ and not be dependent upon the corruption of churchianity, for churchianity is going to become a tool of society and an enemy of God. Churchianity will become a tool of the persecution of those who are obedient and loyal to God alone. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> feel" Christian, and thus, follow the crowd, and try to do
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| − | some incremental <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>renovations</span></span><span
| + | Get connected to the Head. Whatever you see in Scriptures that the "group" is supposed to do, you are personally responsible to do it yourself, by the leading and empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Kick the crutches out quickly, for if you hang on to them, they will not be able to help you in the day of difficulty. Do you love Jesus with all your heart? Really? Be careful, for even Peter had to be asked three times if he loved Jesus. Do you love Him enough to obey Him? |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span>? Or, is it more important
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| − | to do what Jesus called us <o:p></o:p></span></p> | + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>to</span></span><span
| + | The bondage of churchianity |
| − | lang=EN-GB> do, and help the poor and make disciples?</span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | The churchianity trap! I remember when I received an e-mail a couple of years ago in which the brother referred to the limitations and bondage of |
| | + | churchianity. It both rang true and it also offended the remnants of churchianity that were left in me. But, the more I thought it over, the more I |
| | + | realized it is true. |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>We will always have a tendency to think
| + | Yesterday I received an e-mail from a long-time subsciber who described the pressures that the "church people" where they attend keep attempting to put upon them. |
| − | we are wrong if we call the Church something other than what 99.9% of "<span
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| − | class=SpellE>churchians</span>" are calling "church". It is intimidating
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| − | to live differently than everything we are familiar with. That is why | + | |
| − | missionaries have always been few and different (although
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| − | "traditional" missionary concepts are as wrong as <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span>
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| − | is ... because "traditional missionary concepts" are the product of <span
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| − | class=SpellE>churchianity</span>!!!). </span></p>
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| | + | This sister is back in college, as the parent of a teenager even, and is really involved in ministry. She is able to build relationships with college students that lead to real discussions about God and His will. It is real, biblical ministry. |
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| | + | But, the church people think they should have their lives wrapped up in the church activities .. all held at the "church" building!!! They are concerned |
| | + | about HER spirituality! Not concerned enough to visit her home and get to know her, but they are concerned enough to pray for her and talk about her and attempt to counsel her to get more in tune with what they are doing! Are you following this? |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>My challenge is moving more and more
| + | Do you see where the limitations are? When the activities of the institution prevent us from doing Jesus's works in the community and marketplace, then we are caught in a trap that Jesus never intended. Perhaps it is time to change gears. But, as many will say: "If not this, what?" |
| − | toward a focus upon individual disciples who will live radically sold out for
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| − | Jesus, instead of worrying about the "gatherings". It is far more
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| − | possible for a person to live for Jesus as a true disciple (who lives a
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| − | lifestyle of worship and total obedience daily) and NOT <span class=GramE>have</span>
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| − | regular gatherings with other disciples, than it is to be a half-way disciple
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| − | while attending "church" every Sunday! Did you get that? Do you see that?
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| − | It is far more probable that a person will please God by being a sold-out disciple
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| − | who walks humbly before God moment by moment (yet never "goes to church")
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| − | than it is that a person can please God by "going to church" every Sunday
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| − | and living more like the world than like Jesus, although having a zeal. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| | + | If not this, what? |
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| | + | About changing gears (getting out of the churchianity trap) and doing biblical ministry: |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>In fact, most Christians think that if
| + | You might consider moving toward this kind of model ... in your conversations with those God puts in your pathway each day, some will show an interest in learning more. Invite them to your home for Bible study. Make sure that you are purposeful in this. When they come to the house, have the TV and stereo off, and have your Bible right with you. Have your wife sit down with you, with her Bible too. You might share coffee or a soft drink. Have a Bible reading already planned. |
| − | they have a bumper sticker on their car, and put their Bible on their desk at
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| − | work, and occasionally lead some poor soul through the <span class=GramE>Four</span>
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| − | trivialized Spiritual "Laws", that they are disciples. Especially if
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| − | they go to church, sing in the choir, put their tithes into the "storehouse" | + | |
| − | (NOT EVEN!) and are so busy that their kids never see Jesus in them! But, they
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| − | are "doing something for Jesus". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| | + | One thing that is certain. People need to learn who Jesus is, not who Americans have made Him into. Thus, taking people through intensive readings of just the words of Jesus (a red letter edition is most useful for this) should be a priority. Try to help people get the bigger picture from reading through ALL Jesus said first, as quickly as possible, before attempting to deal with specifics. |
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| | + | Anyway, build these Bible studies. When you are consistently having at least one per week, then you are fully in the discipling process. Then start seeking to do ministry to the poor in a way that God shows you. And, start taking those you are discipling with you as you go to minister to the poor. Stay focused upon building relationships rather than preaching to anyone. |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Jesus didn't ask us to "do
| + | As quickly as you have this kind of lifestyle established, you will probably find that you have no further use for participating in churchianity. Your goal will be to make disciples who will themselves make disciples. Once in a while you might end up with a songfest with a few believers. Resist the desire to organize those gatherings and make them a regularly scheduled event. But, when you have one of those meetings, you can encourage the sharing of Communion, encouraging different ones to read the Scripture portions which apply and one to serve the bread, and another to serve the wine (or grape juice). In other words, this keeps the emphasis off of any need for a special leader to lead, which would make it a nice, gnostic ritual, eh? (Gnostic in the sense that one person seems to have the "secret" of breaking the bread and serving the wine.) |
| − | something FOR Him", He commanded us to FOLLOW Him (in word, thought and
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| − | deed) and to do HIS works! Now, where is "working in the system" in
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| − | HIS will? :-) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| | + | Do you see the shift in emphasis.... instead of developing a ministry focused upon preaching, you want to focus upon teaching the Scriptures one on one, making disciples. You won't want to overmax yourself by trying to disciple 10 people at a time, nor even 5. Perhaps 2 or 3 at the most. You need to pour your life into these disciples, and expect that within 6 months to a year they will be doing the same thing you are doing! Soon after they bear witness to being born of the Spirit and sold out to Jesus, you should make clear these expectations: weekly discipling times, ministering to the poor, and equipping them with the expectation they will do the same within a year. |
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| | + | Which is more obedient to Jesus: to make 1000 church workers per year? or, to disciple one person in-depth per year? So, then, what does that tell you about your path and choices? Do you want to follow the crowd, or follow Jesus? |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>Which is precisely the
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| − | point I was trying to make.</span></span><span lang=EN-GB> <span class=GramE>Contributions
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| − | to Jesus instead of commitment.</span> Faith is NOT a work of man, it is a work
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| − | of God ... BUT Faith works and results in righteousness and obedience, because
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| − | it IS from God! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>It is impossible to manifest FAITH by
| + | If you want to be disciplers of the nations, you have to build relationships with individuals and start discipling them. God is not blessing mass "ministry" efforts. The "evidence" of God's hand upon mass, famous efforts to "win the world for Jesus" is usually a bunch of carnal standards like numbers and quantity and finances. Interestingly enough, I can't find much of that in Jesus' ministry. In fact, He was homeless and penniless. He had to catch a fish to pay the taxes. He had no office, nor meeting building, although He did own, by virtue of creation, the natural amphitheater on the hillside where he taught and fed the 5000! He had no friends of political power and did not seek out the rich and famous to help Him attract a crowd. |
| − | worldliness and carnality and materialism and hedonism, for these things are
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| − | not of God. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| | + | If you are really sick of churchianity, and if you are truly serious about being a disciple of Jesus (rather than being a church worker and pew warmer) then God is going to upend your life. You will have to trash every concept of church and ministry that you have heard and seen all your life. That is, if you are serious. |
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| | + | You see, if you put orange kool-aid through a cherry filter, then it is no longer orange kool-aid, it is cherry-orange. And, put the Message and teachings of Jesus through a filter of contemporary culture (materialism, pleasure, comfort, fame, "success"), then it is no longer the Gospel and it is no longer His Church. |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>The foundations have not been
| + | When Jesus said that new wine (the Holy Spirit) cannot be put into old wineskins, He was not referring just to the Jewish religion, or the Law. He was referring to ALL religiosity and religious traditions. Forms, rituals, and things which puff men and shut out the Holy Spirit. |
| − | established. A person cannot be a disciple maker until first he (or she) is a
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| − | disciple. And, being a disciple has nothing to do with being a church worker or
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| − | member or participant. LISTEN to this point carefully ... being a disciple is
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| − | not even primarily about being a disciple-maker or evangelist! </span></p>
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| | + | Hang on ... ministry is not a job (employment). Ministry is not organizational. |
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| | + | Ministry is not anything which looks like a contemporary corporation or country club or a rock concert or a TV show!!! Ministry does not make one famous or popular. Ministry is sacrificial service to God, through the leading and empowerment of the Holy Spirit, almost always in a one-to-one basis. |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>(WHAT?) Being a disciple means following
| + | Going "radical" and following Jesus in word, thought and deed is going to make you a UFO to "Christians" in a materialistic world. It can be extremely lonely if one is not willing to find total satisfaction in Jesus. |
| − | Jesus and doing His works. How can we teach others to help the poor and be a | + | |
| − | disciple until first we are a disciple and help the poor? </span></p>
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| | + | The tendencies to start forming another "church" is one of the primary sins that besets radical Christian neophytes. First, it is elect officers and a "pastor". |
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| | + | Then, it is the search for a building. Then the programs. The rut started the moment that the gatherings started to imitate our comfortable social forms |
| | + | rather than staying focused upon the leading of the Holy Spirit. Pastors and teachers and evangelists and prophets and apostles do their equipping ministry without ever having any claim to the "members" or to any "authority". The authority resides totally within the Word and the Spirit, and the equipping ministers are never to build a following, but are to build followers of Christ who do Jesus' works, not inside a building for their comfort, but in the neighborhood and marketplace. Making disciples means making DISCIPLERS! If we make disciples for Jesus, we will be making disciples who do what we do. Which forces us to continually ask: am I doing what Jesus did and what He calls me to do, or am I building a nest for myself? |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>How can we teach others to live a
| + | I apologize. You intended to ask me questions and direct the lessons to where you "are", and I just took off and started addressing the issues that the Spirit is speaking about. Well, I guess I don't apologize, then. I'm really not much good at discussing various opinions and empathizing with how people "feel" about their "faith" and concerns. I am almost driven of the Spirit to speak the only message of deliverance that is effectual: we must repent of pursuing a contemporary Gospel, and surrender to what Jesus taught and did. We must BE the Church and stop playing Church. And, what is the Church? Is a Moslem who has been born of the Spirit in a nation where he can die for admitting he is a Christian ... if he cannot "go to church", is he still part of the Church? Even if he is never publicly baptized or never partakes in Communion at the hands of an "ordained" "clergyman"? Is a frontline missionary who has no converts for 20 years, and thus, no congregation to "assemble" with ... is HE still part of the |
| − | lifestyle of worship, walking in the presence of God all day long, until we first
| + | Church? Are that missionary, and that Moslem convert BEING the Church? How? Is it possible that God desires a lifestyle of worship rather than a bunch of carnal musicianship once a week for a bunch of sheep-goats that have to be entertained in order to manifest some "worship" in a temple of comfort? Is it possible that walking in the Spirit daily, and reaching out to be Jesus to the poor and the lost is BEING the Church? If so, then why do we waste another SECOND of God's gift of time fooling around in the mess of churchianity which keeps people in bondage, away from BEING the Church? |
| − | are walking in the presence of God all day long? How can we teach <span
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| − | class=GramE>others</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>to</span></span><span
| + | Who SAID that Hebrews 10.25 applies to meetings held in a special building under the oversight of an "ordained clergyman"? Who said so? Let's look at verses 24 & 25: "And let us consider how we may SPUR one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another -- and all the more as you see the Day approaching." |
| − | lang=EN-GB> be responsible to get their daily feeding from the Word (instead of
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| − | listening <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>to</span></span><span
| + | I had one of these meetings today, by telephone. I spoke at length with a brother via phone this morning, encouraging him to move ahead with his call to disciple homeless people. There is no necessary application in Hebrews 10 which says that these "meetings" only happen at 10AM on Sunday where we stand up at the right time, sit down at the right time, and listen to a lot of preachification .. which "church people" think takes the place of serious personal study of the Scriptures daily, and walking in the Spirit, staying focused upon His step by step leading. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> someone else's hash called "sermons") until we have
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| − | gotten into the lifestyle <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| | | | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>of</span></span><span
| + | I have Hebrew 10.24,25 meetings almost daily via e-mail on the Internet. I regularly meet with people and encourage them to break free and follow Jesus. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> feasting upon God's Word daily. How can we tell someone else to
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| − | hunger and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>thirst</span></span><span
| + | Enough about me and my activities. I just needed some real life examples, and mine are the ones I know best. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> after righteousness until we live hungry and thirsty for
| + | |
| − | righteousness, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>and</span></span><span
| + | I must say that I am not in the least bit interested in doing what is popular or traditional. I am only interested in doing what is Right in God's sight. I want to please God. That won't win any popularity contests and won't make me"successful" by the world's standards anymore than Jesus was popular or successful. Oh, you say, He was popular with the common man. Yes, until they realized He was going to be crucified. Then, the crowds left Him. In fact, when He refuted the popular Jewish theology of the day (known as Deuteronomic theology: the theology of prosperity and perfect health in Dt 28) ... when He REFUTED that theology, many of the crowd of disciples left Him. Even His own disciples of the "inner circle" said: "Who then can possibly enter into the |
| − | lang=EN-GB> are more concerned with entering into the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>Kingdom</span></st1:PlaceType><span lang=EN-GB> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>God</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span lang=EN-GB> (right now
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| − | in our <o:p></o:p></span></p> | + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>daily</span></span><span
| + | Kingdom of God |
| − | lang=EN-GB> living) than we are concerned with the opinions and objectives of
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| − | society <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>around</span></span><span
| + | Jesus calls us ... Jesus CONFRONTS us and challenges us to reject the popular concepts of the world and religion, and to do the things that will never make us friends with the world or religious "authorities". In fact, there is such a strong concept of what Christianity is in the USA that "ordinary Christians" will be totally uncomfortable around us. What is there first question? "What church do you attend". If you don't answer with one of the usual groups, then you are suddenly suspect, at best. |
| − | lang=EN-GB> us? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>I'm more concerned with building
| + | Instead of being political activists, He calls us to go to the poor and disenfranchised and proclaim to them the Gospel and make disciples. Instead of |
| − | disciples who are totally dependent upon Jesus <o:p></o:p></span></p> | + | politically attempting to influence society, Jesus came and demonstrated that society can only change by the changing of HEARTS, one by one, through the Gospel and the Holy Spirit. Instead of opposing the popular sins of that day through political action and demonstrations (whatever the equivalent of abortion was then), Jesus taught His disciples to call for repentance, person to person. |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Christ, and are totally surrendered to
| + | Instead of making His message popular and palatable to carnal man, Jesus started with a confrontational, judgemental demand: REPENT! If it was good enough for Jesus, why was it changed to four trivial little sales points that appeal the the "felt needs" of people who are "really not bad people, they just need Jesus"? |
| − | His Lordship than I am concerned with <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>whether</span></span><span
| + | Why isn't this understanding of discipleship and BEING the Church ever going to become "popular"? Well, it totally upends all of contemporary Christianity in a materialistic society. It would put pastors out of jobs. It would end popular concepts of missionary work. It would result in a lot of empty buildings, because people would be meeting from house to house and occasionally in rented halls, and their focus would be first and foremost upon reaching out to the poor and the lost, rather than on their "church work" and "church programs" and "church socials". It would end the "businesses" that claim to be doing God's work: music companies, church furniture manufacturers, church costume (vestments, etc) manufacturers, book publishers pumping out a constant stream of "poor me until I met my genie Jesus" junk, T-shirt printers, conferences which give jobs to "men of faith and power", etc, etc. See the problem? Furthermore, this understanding of the Church and discipleship puts personal responsibility upon every saint, instead of the sheep-goats projecting responsibility for their spiritual health and "faith" upon a man who has usurped Christ's authority! It would mean WORK outside our comfort zones, requiring total dependency upon the Spirit, instead of perpetual emotional tittilation in the spiritual sandboxes we call "churches"! And, OH NO! If we really accepted this understanding of discipleship and the Church, it would end the financial support for televangelists! (GLORY HALLELUJAH!) |
| − | lang=EN-GB> they ever go to a "regular" gathering of believers. I
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| − | believe that a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Spirit-led disciple will be led to times
| + | But, then, we must each one ask ourselves if we really are more interested in following Jesus than being acceptable to the crowd. It does not make any difference whether anyone else joins us on this journey or not, if we are "sold out" totally to Jesus, and have put to death our sinful nature and worldly |
| − | of fellowship and encouragement with <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>other</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> believers ... from house to house. In fact, the very act of making <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>disciples</span></span><span
| + | [[Category:Christianity]] |
| − | lang=EN-GB> will put them into those gatherings for fellowship and
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| − | encouragement <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>and</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> worship. But, FIRST, we have to learn to worship the Lord all day
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| − | long, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>24/7. FIRST, we have to be so hungry
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| − | that we will be in the Word daily, seeking <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>to</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> be more like Jesus and to know the voice of the Holy Spirit. </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>
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| − | <o:p></o:p>
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| − | </span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Worship is NOT primarily these
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| − | choreographed <span class=SpellE>goosebump</span>-making sessions where <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>people</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> get together and try to PUMP ME UP!!!! Mercy, if that is worship,
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| − | then <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Arnold <span class=SpellE>Schwartzenneger</span>
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| − | (sp?) is a real worshipper, because he knows how to pump <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>people</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> up! <span class=GramE>eh</span>? How can we acknowledge the majesty
| + | |
| − | and awesomeness of God <span class=GramE>through</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>flesh-promoting</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> emotionalism and jump and shout based upon near-nightclub types <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>of</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> musicianship? Or, how can we acknowledge the majesty and
| + | |
| − | awesomeness of God <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>with</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> our nose stuck in a hymn book or liturgical program? And, how can
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| − | one hour <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>per</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> week experience of "worship" have any impact upon being a
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| − | disciple if we <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>have</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> not learned to walk in the presence of God daily? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>And, just when <span class=GramE>do we</span>
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| − | plan on beginning to walk in the presence of God moment by <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>moment</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>? Well, most people don't plan to. Most Christians just like to talk
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| − | about <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>it</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> and read books about it and "intend" to get around to it!
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| − | After all, when <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>99.9% of the people they know who call
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| − | themselves Christians are able to claim <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>to</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> be the real thing without ever being personally responsible for
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| − | their own <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>feeding</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> in the Word; and without ever manifesting a hunger and thirst for <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>righteousness</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>; and with more interest in worldly emotionalism in place of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>obedience</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> and adoration of God; then, why can't ALL of us get away with that,
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>eh</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>? Isn't that really the bottom line? If we stay in the
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| − | "system", then we can <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>"<span class=GramE>dumb</span>
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| − | down" discipleship, and get by like all the rest! After all, if the rest <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>of</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> the group doesn't see anything that important in what we are seeing
| + | |
| − | about <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>discipleship</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>, then we can probably slide, too, eh? We'll just do a couple of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>things</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> a little more committed than the rest, and we'll be satisfied with
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| − | our <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>questions</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> about the rightness of "church buildings" and tithes
| + | |
| − | spent upon our <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>own</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> little holy club, and putting responsibility upon a pastor instead
| + | |
| − | of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>seeking</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> the </span><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span lang=EN-GB>Kingdom</span></st1:PlaceType><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span lang=EN-GB>God</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> for <span class=SpellE>ourself</span>. YES? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Let's just cut right to the <span
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| − | class=GramE>chase ...</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>We really don't want to be different
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| − | from the people around us, do we? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>If all our <span class=SpellE>neighbors</span>
| + | |
| − | have life insurance and own a home and have all the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>luxuries</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>, we should too, shouldn't we? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>If all the "Christians" in the
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| − | system can get by with a little dab of grace and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>a</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> lot of church work, then why should we bother with seeking to enter
| + | |
| − | the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span lang=EN-GB>Kingdom</span></st1:PlaceType><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of </span><st1:PlaceName><span lang=EN-GB>God</span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> and His righteousness! <span class=GramE>RIGHT?</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Isn't that what is really driving us to
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| − | want to try to stay in "the system" <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>(<span class=SpellE><span class=GramE>churchianity</span></span>)?
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| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>There have been literally hundreds of
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| − | readers of the Challengers over the last 3 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>years</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> who have been contented with READING radical writings! (Radical
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| − | from the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>churchianity</span></span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> perspective.) BUT, most have not hungered and thirsted sufficiently
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| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>for</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> righteousness to DO the Word. They think because 99.9% of
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| − | Christians appear <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>to</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> be getting by that God is not going to require them to have DONE
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| − | the things <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>that</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> the Holy Spirit spoke to their heart as they read the Challenger. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>There are people who have read the
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| − | Challenger for more than a year and still use <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>the</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> title "Reverend". Who is to be <span class=SpellE>reverred</span>
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| − | besides God? What about what Jesus <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>said</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> about titles that elevate and separate? Matthew 23.8-12 BUT,
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| − | tradition and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>the</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> system must be more correct than the plain teaching of Scriptures
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| − | for these <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>brothers</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> and sisters, for they <span class=SpellE>procede</span> to call
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| − | themselves by titles that elevate <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>them</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> over others, rather than to change their attitude and perspective
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| − | and be <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>servants</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>. These brothers and sisters do not have to answer to me, but they
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| − | will <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>have</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> to answer to God. How can someone claim to be teaching Jesus'
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| − | Gospel when <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>they</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> cannot even be obedient in this "small", plain point? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>There is only one manifestation which
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| − | proves we have received by faith ... we <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>must</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> obey. The longer we resist and postpone, the more hardened our
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| − | heart <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>becomes</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> and the more carnal we become and the more deceived we are. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>I'm not interested in feeding a person
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| − | who is corrupting the Gospel and the Word <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>with</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> worldliness and tradition. And, I will not knowingly continue a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>relationship</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> of that sort after sufficient time has passed for a person to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>either</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> fish or quit playing with the bait. Most Christians are playing with
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| − | the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>bait</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>. I'm not going to feed the Truth to people, just to make them
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| − | "feel good" <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>because</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> they are "tolerant" or mentally assenting to the radical
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| − | message of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Jesus Christ, but they want to keep
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| − | playing around in their spiritual sandboxes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>When I have someone on the list for a
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| − | long period of time and I begin to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>understand</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> that they are just playing around at discipleship, I'll usually
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| − | take <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>them</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> off the list quietly. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>This isn't a game. And, it is quickly
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| − | going to become a very difficult situation <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>for</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> disciples of Jesus in the public arena. Persecution is coming, and
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| − | quicker <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>than</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> we think it is. And, therefore, it is necessary that we equip
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| − | disciples to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>stand</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> up in Christ and grow up in Christ and not be dependent upon the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>corruption</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> of <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span>, for <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span>
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| − | is going to become a tool of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>society</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> and an enemy of God. <span class=SpellE>Churchianity</span> will
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| − | become a tool of the persecution <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>of</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> those who are obedient and loyal to God alone. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Get connected to the Head. Whatever you
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| − | see in Scriptures that the "group" is <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>supposed</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> to do, you are personally responsible to do it yourself, by the
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| − | leading <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>and</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Kick the crutches out quickly, for
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| − | if you <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>hang</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> on to them, they will not be able to help you in the day of
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| − | difficulty. Do <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>you</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> love Jesus with all your heart? <span class=GramE>Really?</span> Be
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| − | careful, for even Peter had to be <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>asked</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> three times if he loved Jesus. Do you love Him enough to obey Him? </span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>
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| − | <o:p></o:p>
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| − | </span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>The bondage of <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>
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| − | <o:p></o:p>
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| − | </span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>The <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span>
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| − | trap! I remember when I received an e-mail a couple of years <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ago</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> in which the brother referred to the limitations and bondage of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>churchianity</span></span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>. It both rang true and it also offended the remnants of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>churchianity</span></span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> that were left in me. But, the more I thought it over, the more I <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>realized</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> it is true.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Yesterday I received an e-mail from a
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| − | long-time <span class=SpellE>subsciber</span> who described the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>pressures</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> that the "church people" where they attend keep
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| − | attempting to put upon <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>them</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>This sister is back in college, as the
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| − | parent of a teenager even, and is really <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>involved</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> in ministry. She is able to build relationships with college
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| − | students <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>that</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> lead to real discussions about God and His will. It is real,
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| − | biblical <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ministry</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>But, the church people think they should
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| − | have their lives wrapped up in the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>church</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> activities .. <span class=GramE>all</span> held at the
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| − | "church" building!!! They are concerned <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>about</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> HER spirituality! Not concerned enough to visit her home and get to
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| − | know <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>her</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>, but they are concerned enough to pray for her and talk about her
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| − | and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>attempt</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> to counsel her to get more in tune with what they are doing! Are
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| − | you <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>following</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Do you see where the limitations are?
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| − | When the activities of the institution <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>prevent</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> us from doing <span class=SpellE>Jesus's</span> works in the
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| − | community and marketplace, then we <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>are</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> caught in a trap that Jesus never intended. Perhaps it is time to
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| − | change <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>gears</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>. But, as many will say: "If not this, what?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>If not this, what?
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>About changing gears (getting out of the
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| − | <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span> trap) and doing biblical <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ministry</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>You might consider moving toward this
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| − | kind of model ... in your conversations <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>with</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> those God puts in your pathway each day, some will show an interest
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| − | in <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>learning</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> more. Invite them to your home for Bible study. Make sure that you
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| − | are <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>purposeful</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> in this. When they come to the house, have the TV and stereo off,
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| − | and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>have</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> your Bible right with you. Have your wife sit down with you, with
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| − | her Bible <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>too</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>. You might share coffee or a soft drink. Have a Bible reading
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| − | already <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>planned</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>One thing that is certain. People need
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| − | to learn who Jesus is, not who Americans <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>have</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> made Him into. Thus, taking people through intensive readings of
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| − | just the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>words</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> of Jesus (a red letter edition is most useful for this) should be a
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| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>priority</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>. Try to help people get the bigger picture from reading through ALL
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| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Jesus said first, as quickly as
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| − | possible, before attempting to deal with <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>specifics</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Anyway, build these Bible studies. When
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| − | you are consistently having at least one <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>per</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> week, then you are fully in the <span class=SpellE>discipling</span>
| + | |
| − | process. Then start seeking to do <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ministry</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> to the poor in a way that God shows you. And, start taking those
| + | |
| − | you <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>are</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> <span class=SpellE>discipling</span> with you as you go to minister
| + | |
| − | to the poor. Stay focused upon <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>building</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> relationships rather than preaching to anyone. </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>
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| − | <o:p></o:p>
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| − | </span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>As quickly as you have this kind of
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| − | lifestyle established, you will probably <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>find</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> that you have no further use for participating in <span
| + | |
| − | class=SpellE>churchianity</span>. Your goal <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>will</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> be to make disciples who will themselves make disciples. Once in a
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| − | while <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>you</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> might end up with a songfest with a few believers. Resist the
| + | |
| − | desire to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>organize</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> those gatherings and make them a regularly scheduled event. But,
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| − | when <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>you</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> have one of those meetings, you can encourage the sharing of
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| − | Communion, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>encouraging</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> different ones to read the Scripture portions which apply and one
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| − | to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>serve</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> the bread, and another to serve the wine (or grape juice). </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>In other
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| − | words,
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
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| − | </span><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>this</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> keeps the emphasis off of any need for a special leader to lead,
| + | |
| − | which
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>would</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> make it a nice, <span class=SpellE>gnostic</span> ritual, eh?
| + | |
| − | (Gnostic in the sense that one person <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>seems</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> to have the "secret" of breaking the bread and serving
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| − | the wine.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Do you see the shift in emphasis....
| + | |
| − | instead of developing a ministry <span class=GramE>focused</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>upon</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> preaching, you want to focus upon teaching the Scriptures one on
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| − | one, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>making</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> disciples. You won't want to <span class=SpellE>overmax</span>
| + | |
| − | yourself by trying to disciple 10 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>people</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> at a time, nor even 5. <span class=GramE>Perhaps 2 or 3 at the
| + | |
| − | most.</span> You need to pour your <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>life</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> into these disciples, and expect that within 6 months to a year
| + | |
| − | they will <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>be</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> doing the same thing you are doing! Soon after they bear witness to
| + | |
| − | being <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>born</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of the Spirit and sold out to Jesus, you should make clear these <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>expectations</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>: weekly <span class=SpellE>discipling</span> times, ministering to
| + | |
| − | the poor, and equipping <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>them</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> with the expectation they will do the same within a year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Which is more obedient to Jesus: to make
| + | |
| − | 1000 church workers per year? <span class=GramE>or</span>, to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>disciple</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> one person in-depth per year? So, then, what does that tell you
| + | |
| − | about <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>your</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> path and choices? Do you want to follow the crowd, or follow Jesus?
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB><span
| + | |
| − | class=SpellE>Colored</span> Glasses
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>If you want to be <span class=SpellE>disciplers</span>
| + | |
| − | of the nations, you have to build relationships <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>with</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> individuals and start <span class=SpellE>discipling</span> them.
| + | |
| − | God is not blessing mass "ministry" <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>efforts</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>. The "evidence" of God's hand upon mass, famous efforts
| + | |
| − | to "win the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>world</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> for Jesus" is usually a bunch of carnal standards like numbers
| + | |
| − | and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>quantity</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> and finances. Interestingly enough, I can't find much of that in
| + | |
| − | Jesus' <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ministry</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>. In fact, He was homeless and penniless. He had to catch a fish to
| + | |
| − | pay <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>the</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> taxes. He had no office, nor meeting building, although He did own,
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| − | by <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>virtue</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of creation, the natural <span class=SpellE>amphitheater</span> on
| + | |
| − | the hillside where he taught and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>fed</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> the 5000! He had no friends of political power and did not seek out
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| − | the rich <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>and</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> famous to help Him attract a crowd.</span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>If you are really sick of <span
| + | |
| − | class=SpellE>churchianity</span>, and if you are truly serious about being <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>a</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> disciple of Jesus (rather than being a church worker and pew
| + | |
| − | warmer) then God <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>is</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> going to upend your life. You will have to trash every concept of
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| − | church and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ministry</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> that you have heard and seen all your life. That is, if you are <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>serious</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>You see, if you put orange <span
| + | |
| − | class=SpellE>kool</span>-aid through a cherry filter, then it is no <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>longer</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> orange <span class=SpellE>kool</span>-aid, it is cherry-orange.
| + | |
| − | And, put the Message and teachings <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>of</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> Jesus through a filter of contemporary culture (materialism,
| + | |
| − | pleasure, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>comfort</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>, fame, "success"), then it is no longer the Gospel and it
| + | |
| − | is no longer <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>His Church.</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>When Jesus said that new wine (the Holy
| + | |
| − | Spirit) cannot be put into old <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>wineskins</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>, He was not referring just to the Jewish religion, or the Law. He
| + | |
| − | was <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>referring</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> to ALL religiosity and religious traditions. Forms, rituals, and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>things</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> which puff men and shut out the Holy Spirit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Hang on ... ministry is not a job
| + | |
| − | (employment). Ministry is not organizational. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Ministry is not anything which looks
| + | |
| − | like a contemporary corporation or country <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>club</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> or a rock concert or a TV show!!! Ministry does not make one famous
| + | |
| − | or <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>popular</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>. Ministry is sacrificial service to God, through the leading and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>empowerment</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of the Holy Spirit, almost always in a one-to-one basis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Going "radical" and following
| + | |
| − | Jesus in word, thought and deed is going to make <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>you</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> a UFO to "Christians" in a materialistic world. It can be
| + | |
| − | extremely lonely <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>if</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> one is not willing to find total satisfaction in Jesus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>The tendencies to start forming another
| + | |
| − | "church" is one of the primary sins that <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>besets</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> radical Christian neophytes. First, it is elect officers and a
| + | |
| − | "pastor". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Then, it is the search for a building. <span
| + | |
| − | class=GramE>Then the programs.</span> The rut started the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>moment</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> that the gatherings started to imitate our comfortable social forms
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>rather</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> than staying focused upon the leading of the Holy Spirit. Pastors
| + | |
| − | and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>teachers</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> and evangelists and prophets and apostles do their equipping
| + | |
| − | ministry <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>without</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> ever having any claim to the "members" or to any
| + | |
| − | "authority". </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>The
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
| + | |
| − | </span><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>authority</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> resides totally within the Word and the Spirit, and the equipping
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>ministers</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> are never to build a following, but are to build followers of
| + | |
| − | Christ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>who</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> do Jesus' works, not inside a building for their comfort, but in
| + | |
| − | the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>neighborhood</span></span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> and marketplace. Making disciples means making DISCIPLERS! If we <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>make</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> disciples for Jesus, we will be making disciples who do what we do.
| + | |
| − | Which <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>forces</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> us to continually ask: am I doing what Jesus did and what He calls
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| − | me to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>do</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>, or am I building a nest for myself?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>I apologize. You intended to ask me
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| − | questions and direct the lessons to where <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>you</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> "are", and I just took off and started addressing the
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| − | issues that the Spirit <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>is</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> speaking about. Well, I guess I don't apologize, then. I'm really
| + | |
| − | not much <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>good</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> at discussing various opinions and empathizing with how people
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| − | "feel" about <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>their</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> "faith" and concerns. I am almost driven of the Spirit to
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| − | speak the only <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>message</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> of deliverance that is effectual: we must repent of pursuing a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>contemporary</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> Gospel, and surrender to what Jesus taught and did. We must BE the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>Church and stop
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| − | playing Church.</span></span><span lang=EN-GB> And, what is the Church? Is a
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| − | Moslem who <span class=GramE>has</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>been</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> born of the Spirit in a nation where he can die for admitting he is
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| − | a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Christian ... if he cannot "go to
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| − | church", is he still part of the Church? </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Even
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| − | <o:p></o:p>
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| − | </span><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>if</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> he is never publicly baptized or never partakes in Communion at the
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| − | hands of
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
| + | |
| − | </span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>an</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> "ordained" "clergyman"? Is a frontline
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| − | missionary who has no converts for <span class=GramE>20</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>years</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>, and thus, no congregation to "assemble" with ... is HE
| + | |
| − | still part of the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>Church?</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> Are that <span class=GramE>missionary,</span> and that Moslem
| + | |
| − | convert BEING the Church? How? Is <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>it</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> possible that God desires a lifestyle of worship rather than a
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| − | bunch of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>carnal</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> musicianship once a week for a bunch of sheep-goats that have to be
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>entertained</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> in order to manifest some "worship" in a temple of
| + | |
| − | comfort? Is it <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>possible</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> that walking in the Spirit daily, and reaching out to be Jesus to
| + | |
| − | the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>poor</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> and the lost is BEING the Church? If so, then why do we waste <span
| + | |
| − | class=GramE>another</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>SECOND of God's gift of time fooling
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| − | around in the mess of <span class=SpellE>churchianity</span> which <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>keeps</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> people in bondage, away from BEING the Church? </span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p>
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| − | </span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Who SAID that Hebrews 10.25 applies to
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| − | meetings held in a special building <span class=GramE>under</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>the</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> oversight of an "ordained clergyman"? Who said so? Let's
| + | |
| − | look at verses 24 & <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>25: "And let us consider how we may
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| − | SPUR one another on toward love and good <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>deeds</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of
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| − | doing, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>but</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> let us encourage one another -- and all the more as you see the Day
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| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>approaching</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB>."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>I had one of these meetings today, by
| + | |
| − | telephone. I spoke at length with a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>brother</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> via phone this morning, encouraging him to move ahead with his call
| + | |
| − | to <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>disciple</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> homeless people. There is no necessary application in Hebrews 10
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| − | which <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>says</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> that these "meetings" only happen at </span><st1:time
| + | |
| − | Minute="0" Hour="10"><span lang=EN-GB>10AM</span></st1:time><span lang=EN-GB>
| + | |
| − | on Sunday where we stand up at <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>the</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> right time, sit down at the right time, and listen to a lot of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=SpellE><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>preachification</span></span></span><span
| + | |
| − | class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB> ..</span></span><span lang=EN-GB> <span
| + | |
| − | class=GramE>which</span> "church people" think takes the place of
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| − | serious <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>personal</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> study of the Scriptures daily, and walking in the Spirit, staying <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>focused</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> upon His step by step leading.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>I have Hebrew 10.24,25 meetings almost
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| − | daily via e-mail on the Internet. I <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>regularly</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> meet with people and encourage them to break free and follow Jesus.
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>Enough about me and my
| + | |
| − | activities.</span></span><span lang=EN-GB> I just needed some real life
| + | |
| − | examples, and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>mine</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> are the ones I know best.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
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| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>I must say that I am not in the least
| + | |
| − | bit interested in doing what is popular or <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>traditional</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>. I am only interested in doing what is Right in God's sight. I want
| + | |
| − | <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>to</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> please God. That won't win any popularity contests and won't make
| + | |
| − | me <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>"<span class=GramE>successful</span>"
| + | |
| − | by the world's standards anymore than Jesus was popular or <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>successful</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>. Oh, you say, He was popular with the common man. Yes, until <span
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| − | class=GramE>they</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>realized</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> He was going to be crucified. Then, the crowds left Him. In fact,
| + | |
| − | when <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>He refuted the popular Jewish theology
| + | |
| − | of the day (known as <span class=SpellE>Deuteronomic</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>theology</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>: the theology of prosperity and perfect health in <span
| + | |
| − | class=SpellE>Dt</span> 28) ... when He <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>REFUTED that theology,
| + | |
| − | many of the crowd of disciples left Him.</span></span><span lang=EN-GB> Even
| + | |
| − | His own <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>disciples</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of the "inner circle" said: "Who then can possibly
| + | |
| − | enter into the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><st1:place><st1:PlaceType><span class=GramE><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>Kingdom</span></span></st1:PlaceType><span class=GramE><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of </span></span><st1:PlaceName><span class=GramE><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>God</span></span></st1:PlaceName></st1:place><span class=GramE><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB>?"</span></span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Jesus calls us ... Jesus <span
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| − | class=GramE>CONFRONTS</span> us and challenges us to reject the popular <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>concepts</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> of the world and religion, and to do the things that will never
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| − | make us <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>friends</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> with the world or religious "authorities". In fact, there
| + | |
| − | is such a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>strong</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> concept of what Christianity is in the USA that "ordinary
| + | |
| − | Christians" <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>will</span></span><span
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| − | lang=EN-GB> be totally uncomfortable around us. What is there first question?
| + | |
| − | "What <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>church</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> do you attend". If you don't answer with one of the usual
| + | |
| − | groups, then <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>you</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> are suddenly suspect, at best.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Instead of being political activists, He
| + | |
| − | calls us to go to the poor and <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>disenfranchised</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> and proclaim to them the Gospel and make disciples. Instead of <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>politically</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> attempting to influence society, Jesus came and demonstrated that <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>society</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> can only change by the changing of HEARTS, one by one, through the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>Gospel and the Holy
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| − | Spirit.</span></span><span lang=EN-GB> Instead of opposing the popular sins of
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| − | that day <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>through</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> political action and demonstrations (whatever the equivalent of
| + | |
| − | abortion <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>was</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> then), Jesus taught His disciples to call for repentance, person to
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| − | person.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Instead of making His message popular
| + | |
| − | and palatable to carnal man, Jesus started <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>with</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> a confrontational, judgemental demand: REPENT! If it was good
| + | |
| − | enough for <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Jesus, why was it changed to four trivial
| + | |
| − | little sales points that appeal the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>the</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> "felt needs" of people who are "really not bad
| + | |
| − | people, they just need <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Jesus"? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText> </p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-GB>Why isn't this understanding of
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| − | discipleship and BEING the Church ever going <span class=GramE>to</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>become</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> "popular"? Well, it totally upends all of contemporary
| + | |
| − | Christianity in a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>materialistic</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> society. It would put pastors out of jobs. It would end popular <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>concepts</span></span><span
| + | |
| − | lang=EN-GB> of missionary work. It would result in a lot of empty buildings, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
| + | |
| − | | + | |
| − | <p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><span lang=EN-GB>because</span></span><span
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10 Reasons for Restoring Discipleship and Seeking Deliverance from Churchianity
Churchianity enslaves the people of God to the programs and authoritarianism of the institution instead of teaching loyalty to Christ alone and equipping the saints to do His works of ministry.
Churchianity makes church workers instead of disciples who do Jesus' works. Churchianity focuses upon doctrines instead of upon following Jesus continually and doing His works. Churchianity follows the patterns of this world (see Romans 12.2) and "sells" Jesus in a carnally attractive package instead of calling a sinning people to repentance and surrender to our Lord Jesus Christ.
Churchianity builds buildings instead of temples of the Holy Spirit. (When the Protestant movement broke from the Roman church, the break was not complete, for the Protestants continued to follow the forms [somewhat revised, but still the same forms] as the Roman church .... human hierarchy, liturgy and buildings which replace what Jesus called for: that we follow Him and give Him our total loyalty.)
A subscriber wrote a question and the reply I wrote became this edition of the Challenger. I realized as I wrote that I was writing for the Body of Christ, not just one person. So, here is a challenge that I trust you will read very carefully and take very seriously.
" My question, keeping in mind that I still agree with everything you have said so far, is this:
Is it possible to work within the system? What I mean is doing somewhat like Paul did as he went to the synagogues seeking to win his fellow Jews. Let me ask you something ... if a system corrupts the message and the people, should one spend time there attempting to do what is right?
Paul always went to the synagogues first, but he never stayed there. He quickly ended up ministering in a house or a borrowed hall to the handful of believing Jews who heard and received the Word he preached in the synagogues, but the daily gatherings quickly became more numerous in Gentile believers than Jewish.
Tradition is powerful. And, churchianity is tradition at its most powerful expression. Tradition is bondage. While it gives people a sense of commonality and familiarity, it also keeps them from seeing the bigger picture and being responsive to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Now, is it more important to "look and feel" Christian, and thus, follow the crowd, and try to do some incremental renovations of churchianity? Or, is it more important to do what Jesus called us to do, and help the poor and make disciples?
We will always have a tendency to think we are wrong if we call the Church something other than what 99.9% of "churchians" are calling "church". It is intimidating to live differently than everything we are familiar with. That is why missionaries have always been few and different (although "traditional" missionary concepts are as wrong as churchianity is ... because "traditional missionary concepts" are the product of churchianity!!!). My challenge is moving more and more toward a focus upon individual disciples who will live radically sold out for Jesus, instead of worrying about the "gatherings". It is far more possible for a person to live for Jesus as a true disciple (who lives a lifestyle of worship and total obedience daily) and NOT have regular gatherings with other disciples, than it is to be a half-way disciple while attending "church" every Sunday! Did you get that? Do you see that? It is far more probable that a person will please God by being a sold-out disciple who walks humbly before God moment by moment (yet never "goes to church") than it is that a person can please God by "going to church" every Sunday and living more like the world than like Jesus, although having a zeal.
In fact, most Christians think that if they have a bumper sticker on their car, and put their Bible on their desk at work, and occasionally lead some poor soul through the Four trivialized Spiritual "Laws", that they are disciples. Especially if they go to church, sing in the choir, put their tithes into the "storehouse" (NOT EVEN!) and are so busy that their kids never see Jesus in them! But, they are "doing something for Jesus".
Jesus didn't ask us to "do something FOR Him", He commanded us to FOLLOW Him (in word, thought and deed) and to do HIS works! Now, where is "working in the system" in HIS will? :-)
Which is precisely the point I was trying to make. Contributions to Jesus instead of commitment. Faith is NOT a work of man, it is a work of God ... BUT Faith works and results in righteousness and obedience, because it IS from God!
It is impossible to manifest FAITH by worldliness and carnality and materialism and hedonism, for these things are not of God.
The foundations have not been established. A person cannot be a disciple maker until first he (or she) is a disciple. And, being a disciple has nothing to do with being a church worker or member or participant. LISTEN to this point carefully ... being a disciple is not even primarily about being a disciple-maker or evangelist! (WHAT?) Being a disciple means following Jesus and doing His works. How can we teach others to help the poor and be a disciple until first we are a disciple and help the poor? How can we teach others to live a lifestyle of worship, walking in the presence of God all day long, until we first are walking in the presence of God all day long? How can we teach others to be responsible to get their daily feeding from the Word (instead of listening to someone else's hash called "sermons") until we have gotten into the lifestyle of feasting upon God's Word daily. How can we tell someone else to hunger and thirst after righteousness until we live hungry and thirsty for righteousness, and are more concerned with entering into the Kingdom of God (right now in our daily living) than we are concerned with the opinions and objectives of society around us?
I'm more concerned with building disciples who are totally dependent upon Jesus Christ, and are totally surrendered to His Lordship than I am concerned with whether they ever go to a "regular" gathering of believers. I believe that a Spirit-led disciple will be led to times of fellowship and encouragement with other believers ... from house to house. In fact, the very act of making disciples will put them into those gatherings for fellowship and encouragement and worship. But, FIRST, we have to learn to worship the Lord all day long, 24/7. FIRST, we have to be so hungry that we will be in the Word daily, seeking to be more like Jesus and to know the voice of the Holy Spirit.
Worship is NOT primarily these choreographed goosebump-making sessions where people get together and try to PUMP ME UP!!!! Mercy, if that is worship, then Arnold Schwartzenneger (sp?) is a real worshipper, because he knows how to pump people up! eh? How can we acknowledge the majesty and awesomeness of God through flesh-promoting emotionalism and jump and shout based upon near-nightclub types of musicianship? Or, how can we acknowledge the majesty and awesomeness of God with our nose stuck in a hymn book or liturgical program? And, how can one hour
per week experience of "worship" have any impact upon being a disciple if we have not learned to walk in the presence of God daily?
And, just when do we plan on beginning to walk in the presence of God moment by moment? Well, most people don't plan to. Most Christians just like to talk about it and read books about it and "intend" to get around to it! After all, when 99.9% of the people they know who call themselves Christians are able to claim to be the real thing without ever being personally responsible for their own feeding in the Word; and without ever manifesting a hunger and thirst for righteousness; and with more interest in worldly emotionalism in place of obedience and adoration of God; then, why can't ALL of us get away with that, eh? Isn't that really the bottom line? If we stay in the "system", then we can"dumb down" discipleship, and get by like all the rest! After all, if the rest of the group doesn't see anything that important in what we are seeing about discipleship, then we can probably slide, too, eh? We'll just do a couple of things a little more committed than the rest, and we'll be satisfied with our questions about the rightness of "church buildings" and tithes spent upon our own little holy club, and putting responsibility upon a pastor instead of seeking the Kingdom of God for ourself. YES?
Let's just cut right to the chase ...
If all our neighbors have life insurance and own a home and have all the luxuries, we should too, shouldn't we?
If all the "Christians" in the system can get by with a little dab of grace and a lot of church work, then why should we bother with seeking to enter the
There have been literally hundreds of readers of the Challengers over the last 3 years who have been contented with READING radical writings! (Radical from the churchianity perspective.) BUT, most have not hungered and thirsted sufficiently for righteousness to DO the Word. They think because 99.9% of Christians appear to be getting by that God is not going to require them to have DONE the things that the Holy Spirit spoke to their heart as they read the Challenger.
There are people who have read the Challenger for more than a year and still use the title "Reverend". Who is to be reverred besides God? What about what Jesus said about titles that elevate and separate? Matthew 23.8-12 BUT, tradition and the system must be more correct than the plain teaching of Scriptures for these brothers and sisters, for they procede to call themselves by titles that elevate them over others, rather than to change their attitude and perspective and be servants. These brothers and sisters do not have to answer to me, but they will have to answer to God. How can someone claim to be teaching Jesus' Gospel when they cannot even be obedient in this "small", plain point?
There is only one manifestation which proves we have received by faith ... we must obey. The longer we resist and postpone, the more hardened our heart becomes and the more carnal we become and the more deceived we are.
I'm not interested in feeding a person who is corrupting the Gospel and the Word with worldliness and tradition. And, I will not knowingly continue a
relationship of that sort after sufficient time has passed for a person to either fish or quit playing with the bait. Most Christians are playing with the bait. I'm not going to feed the Truth to people, just to make them "feel good" because they are "tolerant" or mentally assenting to the radical message of Jesus Christ, but they want to keep playing around in their spiritual sandboxes.
When I have someone on the list for a long period of time and I begin to understand that they are just playing around at discipleship, I'll usually take
them off the list quietly.
This isn't a game. And, it is quickly going to become a very difficult situation for disciples of Jesus in the public arena. Persecution is coming, and quicker than we think it is. And, therefore, it is necessary that we equip disciples to stand up in Christ and grow up in Christ and not be dependent upon the corruption of churchianity, for churchianity is going to become a tool of society and an enemy of God. Churchianity will become a tool of the persecution of those who are obedient and loyal to God alone.
Get connected to the Head. Whatever you see in Scriptures that the "group" is supposed to do, you are personally responsible to do it yourself, by the leading and empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Kick the crutches out quickly, for if you hang on to them, they will not be able to help you in the day of difficulty. Do you love Jesus with all your heart? Really? Be careful, for even Peter had to be asked three times if he loved Jesus. Do you love Him enough to obey Him?
The churchianity trap! I remember when I received an e-mail a couple of years ago in which the brother referred to the limitations and bondage of
churchianity. It both rang true and it also offended the remnants of churchianity that were left in me. But, the more I thought it over, the more I
realized it is true.
Yesterday I received an e-mail from a long-time subsciber who described the pressures that the "church people" where they attend keep attempting to put upon them.
This sister is back in college, as the parent of a teenager even, and is really involved in ministry. She is able to build relationships with college students that lead to real discussions about God and His will. It is real, biblical ministry.
But, the church people think they should have their lives wrapped up in the church activities .. all held at the "church" building!!! They are concerned
about HER spirituality! Not concerned enough to visit her home and get to know her, but they are concerned enough to pray for her and talk about her and attempt to counsel her to get more in tune with what they are doing! Are you following this?
Do you see where the limitations are? When the activities of the institution prevent us from doing Jesus's works in the community and marketplace, then we are caught in a trap that Jesus never intended. Perhaps it is time to change gears. But, as many will say: "If not this, what?"
About changing gears (getting out of the churchianity trap) and doing biblical ministry:
You might consider moving toward this kind of model ... in your conversations with those God puts in your pathway each day, some will show an interest in learning more. Invite them to your home for Bible study. Make sure that you are purposeful in this. When they come to the house, have the TV and stereo off, and have your Bible right with you. Have your wife sit down with you, with her Bible too. You might share coffee or a soft drink. Have a Bible reading already planned.
One thing that is certain. People need to learn who Jesus is, not who Americans have made Him into. Thus, taking people through intensive readings of just the words of Jesus (a red letter edition is most useful for this) should be a priority. Try to help people get the bigger picture from reading through ALL Jesus said first, as quickly as possible, before attempting to deal with specifics.
Anyway, build these Bible studies. When you are consistently having at least one per week, then you are fully in the discipling process. Then start seeking to do ministry to the poor in a way that God shows you. And, start taking those you are discipling with you as you go to minister to the poor. Stay focused upon building relationships rather than preaching to anyone.
As quickly as you have this kind of lifestyle established, you will probably find that you have no further use for participating in churchianity. Your goal will be to make disciples who will themselves make disciples. Once in a while you might end up with a songfest with a few believers. Resist the desire to organize those gatherings and make them a regularly scheduled event. But, when you have one of those meetings, you can encourage the sharing of Communion, encouraging different ones to read the Scripture portions which apply and one to serve the bread, and another to serve the wine (or grape juice). In other words, this keeps the emphasis off of any need for a special leader to lead, which would make it a nice, gnostic ritual, eh? (Gnostic in the sense that one person seems to have the "secret" of breaking the bread and serving the wine.)
Do you see the shift in emphasis.... instead of developing a ministry focused upon preaching, you want to focus upon teaching the Scriptures one on one, making disciples. You won't want to overmax yourself by trying to disciple 10 people at a time, nor even 5. Perhaps 2 or 3 at the most. You need to pour your life into these disciples, and expect that within 6 months to a year they will be doing the same thing you are doing! Soon after they bear witness to being born of the Spirit and sold out to Jesus, you should make clear these expectations: weekly discipling times, ministering to the poor, and equipping them with the expectation they will do the same within a year.
Which is more obedient to Jesus: to make 1000 church workers per year? or, to disciple one person in-depth per year? So, then, what does that tell you about your path and choices? Do you want to follow the crowd, or follow Jesus?
If you want to be disciplers of the nations, you have to build relationships with individuals and start discipling them. God is not blessing mass "ministry" efforts. The "evidence" of God's hand upon mass, famous efforts to "win the world for Jesus" is usually a bunch of carnal standards like numbers and quantity and finances. Interestingly enough, I can't find much of that in Jesus' ministry. In fact, He was homeless and penniless. He had to catch a fish to pay the taxes. He had no office, nor meeting building, although He did own, by virtue of creation, the natural amphitheater on the hillside where he taught and fed the 5000! He had no friends of political power and did not seek out the rich and famous to help Him attract a crowd.
If you are really sick of churchianity, and if you are truly serious about being a disciple of Jesus (rather than being a church worker and pew warmer) then God is going to upend your life. You will have to trash every concept of church and ministry that you have heard and seen all your life. That is, if you are serious.
You see, if you put orange kool-aid through a cherry filter, then it is no longer orange kool-aid, it is cherry-orange. And, put the Message and teachings of Jesus through a filter of contemporary culture (materialism, pleasure, comfort, fame, "success"), then it is no longer the Gospel and it is no longer His Church.
When Jesus said that new wine (the Holy Spirit) cannot be put into old wineskins, He was not referring just to the Jewish religion, or the Law. He was referring to ALL religiosity and religious traditions. Forms, rituals, and things which puff men and shut out the Holy Spirit.
Hang on ... ministry is not a job (employment). Ministry is not organizational.
Ministry is not anything which looks like a contemporary corporation or country club or a rock concert or a TV show!!! Ministry does not make one famous or popular. Ministry is sacrificial service to God, through the leading and empowerment of the Holy Spirit, almost always in a one-to-one basis.
Going "radical" and following Jesus in word, thought and deed is going to make you a UFO to "Christians" in a materialistic world. It can be extremely lonely if one is not willing to find total satisfaction in Jesus.
The tendencies to start forming another "church" is one of the primary sins that besets radical Christian neophytes. First, it is elect officers and a "pastor".
Then, it is the search for a building. Then the programs. The rut started the moment that the gatherings started to imitate our comfortable social forms
rather than staying focused upon the leading of the Holy Spirit. Pastors and teachers and evangelists and prophets and apostles do their equipping ministry without ever having any claim to the "members" or to any "authority". The authority resides totally within the Word and the Spirit, and the equipping ministers are never to build a following, but are to build followers of Christ who do Jesus' works, not inside a building for their comfort, but in the neighborhood and marketplace. Making disciples means making DISCIPLERS! If we make disciples for Jesus, we will be making disciples who do what we do. Which forces us to continually ask: am I doing what Jesus did and what He calls me to do, or am I building a nest for myself?
I apologize. You intended to ask me questions and direct the lessons to where you "are", and I just took off and started addressing the issues that the Spirit is speaking about. Well, I guess I don't apologize, then. I'm really not much good at discussing various opinions and empathizing with how people "feel" about their "faith" and concerns. I am almost driven of the Spirit to speak the only message of deliverance that is effectual: we must repent of pursuing a contemporary Gospel, and surrender to what Jesus taught and did. We must BE the Church and stop playing Church. And, what is the Church? Is a Moslem who has been born of the Spirit in a nation where he can die for admitting he is a Christian ... if he cannot "go to church", is he still part of the Church? Even if he is never publicly baptized or never partakes in Communion at the hands of an "ordained" "clergyman"? Is a frontline missionary who has no converts for 20 years, and thus, no congregation to "assemble" with ... is HE still part of the
Church? Are that missionary, and that Moslem convert BEING the Church? How? Is it possible that God desires a lifestyle of worship rather than a bunch of carnal musicianship once a week for a bunch of sheep-goats that have to be entertained in order to manifest some "worship" in a temple of comfort? Is it possible that walking in the Spirit daily, and reaching out to be Jesus to the poor and the lost is BEING the Church? If so, then why do we waste another SECOND of God's gift of time fooling around in the mess of churchianity which keeps people in bondage, away from BEING the Church?
Who SAID that Hebrews 10.25 applies to meetings held in a special building under the oversight of an "ordained clergyman"? Who said so? Let's look at verses 24 & 25: "And let us consider how we may SPUR one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another -- and all the more as you see the Day approaching."
I had one of these meetings today, by telephone. I spoke at length with a brother via phone this morning, encouraging him to move ahead with his call to disciple homeless people. There is no necessary application in Hebrews 10 which says that these "meetings" only happen at 10AM on Sunday where we stand up at the right time, sit down at the right time, and listen to a lot of preachification .. which "church people" think takes the place of serious personal study of the Scriptures daily, and walking in the Spirit, staying focused upon His step by step leading.
I have Hebrew 10.24,25 meetings almost daily via e-mail on the Internet. I regularly meet with people and encourage them to break free and follow Jesus.
Enough about me and my activities. I just needed some real life examples, and mine are the ones I know best.
I must say that I am not in the least bit interested in doing what is popular or traditional. I am only interested in doing what is Right in God's sight. I want to please God. That won't win any popularity contests and won't make me"successful" by the world's standards anymore than Jesus was popular or successful. Oh, you say, He was popular with the common man. Yes, until they realized He was going to be crucified. Then, the crowds left Him. In fact, when He refuted the popular Jewish theology of the day (known as Deuteronomic theology: the theology of prosperity and perfect health in Dt 28) ... when He REFUTED that theology, many of the crowd of disciples left Him. Even His own disciples of the "inner circle" said: "Who then can possibly enter into the
Jesus calls us ... Jesus CONFRONTS us and challenges us to reject the popular concepts of the world and religion, and to do the things that will never make us friends with the world or religious "authorities". In fact, there is such a strong concept of what Christianity is in the USA that "ordinary Christians" will be totally uncomfortable around us. What is there first question? "What church do you attend". If you don't answer with one of the usual groups, then you are suddenly suspect, at best.
Instead of being political activists, He calls us to go to the poor and disenfranchised and proclaim to them the Gospel and make disciples. Instead of
politically attempting to influence society, Jesus came and demonstrated that society can only change by the changing of HEARTS, one by one, through the Gospel and the Holy Spirit. Instead of opposing the popular sins of that day through political action and demonstrations (whatever the equivalent of abortion was then), Jesus taught His disciples to call for repentance, person to person.
Instead of making His message popular and palatable to carnal man, Jesus started with a confrontational, judgemental demand: REPENT! If it was good enough for Jesus, why was it changed to four trivial little sales points that appeal the the "felt needs" of people who are "really not bad people, they just need Jesus"?
Why isn't this understanding of discipleship and BEING the Church ever going to become "popular"? Well, it totally upends all of contemporary Christianity in a materialistic society. It would put pastors out of jobs. It would end popular concepts of missionary work. It would result in a lot of empty buildings, because people would be meeting from house to house and occasionally in rented halls, and their focus would be first and foremost upon reaching out to the poor and the lost, rather than on their "church work" and "church programs" and "church socials". It would end the "businesses" that claim to be doing God's work: music companies, church furniture manufacturers, church costume (vestments, etc) manufacturers, book publishers pumping out a constant stream of "poor me until I met my genie Jesus" junk, T-shirt printers, conferences which give jobs to "men of faith and power", etc, etc. See the problem? Furthermore, this understanding of the Church and discipleship puts personal responsibility upon every saint, instead of the sheep-goats projecting responsibility for their spiritual health and "faith" upon a man who has usurped Christ's authority! It would mean WORK outside our comfort zones, requiring total dependency upon the Spirit, instead of perpetual emotional tittilation in the spiritual sandboxes we call "churches"! And, OH NO! If we really accepted this understanding of discipleship and the Church, it would end the financial support for televangelists! (GLORY HALLELUJAH!)
But, then, we must each one ask ourselves if we really are more interested in following Jesus than being acceptable to the crowd. It does not make any difference whether anyone else joins us on this journey or not, if we are "sold out" totally to Jesus, and have put to death our sinful nature and worldly
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