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"The bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world...I came down from heaven" (John 6:33,38).

These words, and others like them, are misused to support the wrong idea that Jesus physically existed in Heaven before his birth. The following points, however, must be noted:

1. Trinitarians take these words as literal in order to prove their point.

However, if we are to take them literally, then this means that somehow

Jesus literally floated down through the skies. Not only is the Bible totally silent about this, but the language of Jesus being conceived as a baby in Mary's womb is made meaningless. Jn.6:60 describes the teaching about the manna as a saying "hard to take in" (Moffatt's Translation); i.e. we need to understand that it is figurative language being used.

2. In John 6, Jesus is explaining how the manna was a type of himself. The manna was sent from God in the sense that it was God who was responsible for creating it on the earth; it did not physically float down from the throne of God in Heaven. Thus Christ's coming from Heaven is to be understood likewise; he was created on earth, by the Holy Spirit acting upon the womb of Mary (Lk.1:35).

3. Jesus says that "the bread that I will give is my flesh" (Jn.6:51).

Trinitarians claim that it was the 'God' part of Jesus which came down from Heaven. But Jesus says that it was his "flesh" which was the bread which came down from Heaven. Likewise Jesus associates the bread from Heaven with himself as the "Son of man" (Jn.6:62), not 'God the Son'.

4. In this same passage in John 6 there is abundant evidence that Jesus was not equal to God. "The living Father hath sent me" (Jn.6:57) shows that Jesus and God do not share co-equality; and the fact that "I live by the Father" (Jn.6:57) is hardly the 'co-eternity' of which Trinitarians speak.

5. It must be asked, When and how did Jesus 'come down' from Heaven?

Trinitarians use these verses in John 6 to 'prove' that Jesus came down from Heaven at his birth. But Jesus speaks of himself as "he which cometh down from heaven" (Jn 6:33,50), as if it is an ongoing process. Speaking of God's gift of Jesus, Christ said "My Father is giving you the bread" from Heaven (Jn 6:32 Weymouth). At the time Jesus was speaking these words, he had already 'come down' in a certain sense, in that he had been sent by God.

Because of this, he could also speak in the past tense: "I am the living bread which came down from Heaven" (Jn 6:51). But he also speaks about 'coming down' as the bread from Heaven in the form of his death on the cross: "The bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" (Jn 6:51). So we have Jesus speaking here of having already come down from Heaven, being in the process of 'coming down', and still having to 'come down' in his death on the cross. This fact alone should prove that 'coming down' refers to God manifesting Himself, rather than only referring to Christ's birth. This is conclusively proved by all the Old Testament references to God 'coming down' having just this same meaning. Thus God saw the affliction of His people in Egypt, and 'came down' to save them through Moses. He has seen our bondage to sin, and has 'come down' or manifested Himself, by sending Jesus as the equivalent to Moses to lead us out of sin.

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-The resurrection from the dead is one of the fundamental doctrines of the Christian Gospel—the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. The fifteenth chapter of the Book of First Corinthians is devoted to the topic of raising the bodies of the saints from the dead.
-If our bodies are not going to be raised from the dead our faith in Christ is in vain.
-If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. (I Corinthians 15:19)
-In fact, the Scripture does not consider we have been brought to life until our body has come forth from the grave.
-For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22,23)
-We shall have attained the fullness of victory when our mortal body has been made alive by the Spirit of God. This will take place at the coming of Christ.
-The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (I Corinthians 15:26)
-The resurrection from the dead, which is the final victory of the saint, must be attained.
-If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection (Greek, out-resurrection) of the dead. (Philippians 3:11)
-We attain to the resurrection by overcoming the world, the satanic lusts that dwell in our flesh, and our self-will. If we live in the appetites of the flesh we will die spiritually. If we, through the Holy Spirit of God, achieve victory over the world, sin, and self-will, we will attain to eternal life.
-For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify (put to death) the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (Romans 8:13)
-Eternal life, immortality, that which Adam and Eve forfeited, has been lost to mankind from the time of the fall. Death has been working in our flesh and spirit since our physical birth. God has given Christians the gift of eternal life, that is, He has brought us into His Presence with a view to immortalizing all that we are—spirit, soul, and body.
-The gift of eternal life must be grasped. Eternal life is a demanding gift. God has not given us the gift of life as one would make a present of money but as the opportunity to attain to life. There is a difference between these two concepts.
-If we Christians choose to employ the grace of God in order to live righteously, we attain to eternal life; we attain to the resurrection out from among the dead. If we do not choose to serve righteousness, do not learn through Christ to behave righteously, we will not attain to eternal life (Romans, Chapter Six).
-The return of the Lord Jesus Christ to the earth and the raising of the bodies of the saints have been the hope of the godly from the days of the Apostles of the Lamb and ought to be the hope of the believers of our time.
-Instead, an unscriptural emphasis on the catching up ("rapture") of the saints has been inserted in place of the historical hope. According to Dr. Ladd of Fuller Theological Seminary, the doctrine of a pre-tribulation translation of the believers came into existence in the nineteenth century. It was not known before this time (George E. Ladd, The Blessed Hope , Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1956, p.19).
-The emphasis on the catching up of the saints rather than their resurrection has destroyed the spiritual vitality of the Christian churches. The doctrine of the catching up, as it currently is presented, appeals to the unregenerate nature of man. The catching up is perceived as a means of escaping suffering, a doctrine with no scriptural support (see, for example, the fourth chapter of First Peter for the scriptural attitude toward the suffering of the believers).
-The Old Testament speaks of the resurrection of the saints but never, to our knowledge, of their being caught up. The fifteenth chapter of I Corinthians is the "resurrection chapter" of the Scriptures; yet, this chapter does not mention the catching up of the saints. Paul was not seeking to attain to the catching up (Philippians 3:11).
-Except for I Thessalonians 4:13-18, a passage written for the comfort of the bereaved believers but which is now regarded as a special, secret appearing of Christ, none of the epistles of the Apostles alludes to the catching up of the saints.
-There is no indication in the fourth chapter of I Thessalonians, that Paul is referring to a flight to Heaven or a flight to escape suffering. These ideas have no basis in Scripture.
-The fourth chapter of I Thessalonians, with its "shout," its "voice of the archangel," and its "trump of God" is speaking of raising from the dead the army of Christ in anticipation of the Battle of Armageddon (Ezekiel 37:10).
-The Epistles emphasize the resurrection but not the catching up. The Book of Revelation emphasizes the return in Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ and speaks directly of the first and second resurrections from the dead. The catching up of the witnessing saints is mentioned in the Book of Revelation.
-And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. (Revelation 11:12)
-If the catching up of the saints had one-tenth the importance being assigned to it today it would be discussed in several passages of the New Testament, as is true of the doctrine of righteousness, for example.
-The Book of Revelation, which is the definitive unveiling of the future, does not reveal a withdrawing of the believers to Paradise for the purpose of escaping suffering or escaping the Antichrist. It is the resurrection, not the catching up, that is the victory.
-Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)
-Once we have been raised from the dead we have no need of being caught up to deliver us from suffering. We shall have immortal bodies. Therefore it is not logical to speak of the catching up as being for the purpose of escaping suffering or danger.
-Rather, the catching up of the saints is for the purpose of arraying the army of Christ in battle formation under the Commander in Chief.
-It is Christ’s resurrection, not His catching up, that saves us, that justifies us. We are being pressed into His crucifixion and His resurrection. The power of Christ’s resurrection is associated with the fellowship of His sufferings. Christ’s ascension, which took place forty days after His resurrection (as may prove to be true also in our own case), was not an act of redemption on a level with His resurrection.
-Redemption is the reclaiming of that which disobedient man forfeited to Satan. Man forfeited access to eternal life, not residence in Heaven.
-To our knowledge there is no inkling of such an emphasis in the Old Testament, while the resurrection from the dead indeed is presented in the Old Testament— (Job 19:25,26; Isaiah 26:19; Ezekiel 37:12; Daniel 12:2).
-Resurrection into eternal life in the Presence of the Lord Jesus is the great hope of the Christian Church. Ascension into the realm of spirits is no guarantee that we will not suffer. Indeed, there is much suffering in the spirit realm. The worst suffering anyone can experience is found in the spiritual Hell and the spiritual Lake of Fire. There is no release there by means of unconsciousness or death.
-Numerous believers in Christ are facing stripes (or worse!) in the spirit realm because of their halfhearted, disinterested, disobedient walk in Jesus. The concept of a "rapture" to deliver them from suffering is not taught in the Scriptures. Indeed, it may be "out of the frying pan into the fire" for multitudes of the church-attenders of our day.
-If the present generation of Christian "believers" were to be caught up into the Presence of Him whose eyes are a flame of fire there would be scenes of agony, remorse, wailing, terror, that no person could bear to watch
-The believers have been taught that once they make a profession of Jesus as Christ they no longer need to fear the judgment of God. While such a concept can be derived from one or two passages, the bulk of the New Testament writings declare the opposite.
-And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 25:30)
-But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6:8)
-And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. (Revelation 2:23)
-None of the above passages is addressed to the unbelievers.
-Nowhere in the New Testament is there a suggestion that Christ will deliver the believers from tribulation by lifting them up to Heaven. Are we preaching and teaching that which is not taught clearly in the Scriptures?
-A change in emphasis from the doctrine of the catching up of the immature believers to Heaven to avoid tribulation, to an emphasis on the pursuit of righteous and holy behavior such that the resurrection from the dead is attained to (which was the expressed hope of the Apostle Paul), will restore spiritual vitality to the Christian churches.
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+<p>These words, and others like them, are misused to support the wrong idea that Jesus physically existed in Heaven before his birth. The following points, however, must be noted:</p>
+<p>1. Trinitarians take these words as literal in order to prove their point.</p>
+<p>However, if we are to take them literally, then this means that somehow</p>
+<p>Jesus literally floated down through the skies. Not only is the Bible totally silent about this, but the language of Jesus being conceived as a baby in Mary's womb is made meaningless. Jn.6:60 describes the teaching about the manna as a saying "hard to take in" (Moffatt's Translation); i.e. we need to understand that it is figurative language being used.</p>
+<p>2. In John 6, Jesus is explaining how the manna was a type of himself. The manna was sent from God in the sense that it was God who was responsible for creating it on the earth; it did not physically float down from the throne of God in Heaven. Thus Christ's coming from Heaven is to be understood likewise; he was created on earth, by the Holy Spirit acting upon the womb of Mary (Lk.1:35).</p>
+<p>3. Jesus says that "the bread that I will give is my flesh" (Jn.6:51).</p>
+<p>Trinitarians claim that it was the 'God' part of Jesus which came down from Heaven. But Jesus says that it was his "flesh" which was the bread which came down from Heaven. Likewise Jesus associates the bread from Heaven with himself as the "Son of man" (Jn.6:62), not 'God the Son'.</p>
+<p>4. In this same passage in John 6 there is abundant evidence that Jesus was not equal to God. "The living Father hath sent me" (Jn.6:57) shows that Jesus and God do not share co-equality; and the fact that "I live by the Father" (Jn.6:57) is hardly the 'co-eternity' of which Trinitarians speak.</p>
+<p>5. It must be asked, When and how did Jesus 'come down' from Heaven?</p>
+<p>Trinitarians use these verses in John 6 to 'prove' that Jesus came down from Heaven at his birth. But Jesus speaks of himself as "he which cometh down from heaven" (Jn 6:33,50), as if it is an ongoing process. Speaking of God's gift of Jesus, Christ said "My Father is giving you the bread" from Heaven (Jn 6:32 Weymouth). At the time Jesus was speaking these words, he had already 'come down' in a certain sense, in that he had been sent by God.</p>
+<p>Because of this, he could also speak in the past tense: "I am the living bread which came down from Heaven" (Jn 6:51). But he also speaks about 'coming down' as the bread from Heaven in the form of his death on the cross: "The bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" (Jn 6:51). So we have Jesus speaking here of having already come down from Heaven, being in the process of 'coming down', and still having to 'come down' in his death on the cross. This fact alone should prove that 'coming down' refers to God manifesting Himself, rather than only referring to Christ's birth. This is conclusively proved by all the Old Testament references to God 'coming down' having just this same meaning. Thus God saw the affliction of His people in Egypt, and 'came down' to save them through Moses. He has seen our bondage to sin, and has 'come down' or manifested Himself, by sending Jesus as the equivalent to Moses to lead us out of sin.</p>

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